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And as we continue to talk about art, or, you know, everything and nothing, something in between, I think that “something” inevitably becomes art. For us. Like, natural for us to talk about art. For today, I wonder, is it humans that create art? Or is it just nature that creates art. We’re a part of artistic creation itself. Like, in nature, is there just art that happens and we then are inspired to be a part of that natural process of creating art. That’s why we’re driven to create this art because of say the beauty of a sunset or a spider’s web or waterfalls or things that are beautiful in nature. Is nature creating art? And we’re then inspired by that to create our own art? Or?
Or is it that…
Is it just a human [thing]? Yeah.
…every living, breathing person or nature or animal. We all have a, perhaps a creative impulse inside of all of us that streams through our blood or through the wind, through the water.
I believe that it’s natural, like it’s a part of love. There’s, there’s a love that you have for life, the universe and everything that that you feel the most in art and nature, and spirituality and music and love and there’s these things that I sort of gravitate towards naturally in my life. I feel like those are the things that the more you give to them, the more they give back. And that seems like that’s nature saying yes to you and your your love and your heart like that, when you show up to life and give, it gives back to you.
Oh my gosh. That’s so beautiful. So beautifully said.
Like music is one big one that I find the more you give, the more it gives back. The more you get involved with music, the more you applaud, the more you dance, the more you sort of freak out because music is so good.
The better the music gets, the better that the enjoyment and it’s a it’s a vibe that 10 people listening to a song 100 people listening to you know a concert, you know, 1000s of people listening to music, amplifies and, and ups the game. So then I wonder if then nature has that artistic quality within it. And that’s why it’s so deep inside of us and why we can feel it and why we resonate. Like we were talking about last episode: Do you need inspiration to create art? And in this topic, I’m saying that I still believe that the inspiration already exists within us naturally.
If in nature, if there’s an intelligence within nature that’s moving…
…everything into creation into being. And if we also have an intelligence that is inside of us, deep inside of us, too. It’s got to be the same intelligence, right?
The Fibonacci sequence.
Our fingers are representative of the Fibonacci sequence, if you break down the math of the digits of our hands and how we grow and how plants grow in the sequence, and how things tend to go to this golden ratio and…
The golden ratio, yes.
If it’s already there, and we’re just a part of it that we’re responding to our natural impulse and a vibration, an artistic vibration and you’re either blissfully unaware of it, or sort of, blissfully aware of it like there’s there’s a duality, a balance to say that you can scientifically study it and, or you can just get it from the streets or you just go to school and learn how to be an artist or just do art. And just, those two people can end up with the same amazing, amazing-ness to their art like Banksy versus, you know, a classically studied master. It all doesn’t matter at the eye of the beholder. What effect your art has on other people. And the same with nature could walk by something and someone sees beauty and other person just sees a flower or waterfall or a spiderweb. So is the art just in nature, I don’t know. I once bought a ticket to a movie. And I had the ticket to the movie. And I was sitting outside waiting for you know to go in. And I saw this spider creating a web. And it had just begun with the first few strands and then it was making the outer. Like it goes on the outside. And it was making the outer edges of the web. And I didn’t go to see the movie. I sat there for over an hour watching the spider create the web and I got my money back.
That is the best movie. Right there. The director was there the producer, the main star. And the audience, my Errric.
I wonder if the spider knew that I was watching. He was making it better. He’s like, Oh my god, I gotta do a good job. This guy’s watching me.
The spider has like six more eyes than you right? So, it definitely saw you. I mean, it’s such a big topic that, this one, because if it just is art, like it’s happening in nature. But then like you were talking about Andy Goldsworthy? He takes it to a new level.
6000 more eyes. I love there’s a movie River And Tides, and it shows his process and he goes and does art with leaves, or ice, or rocks, or just he takes nature and puts it into artistic formation.
Oh, so it’s like a symbiosis.
Yeah, like, who’s, who’s the greater artists that the one who paints the apple, or the apple itself? Like you’re the one who has, you know, the flower arrangement or the you know, the one that takes the picture of the flower arrangement. It’s almost like how we talk about a fractal or inception, where there’s art inside of art inside of art. And maybe at the core, we ourselves are giving back artistically, to that art that created us.
Oh. Yes, yes. There’s definitely a birth that happens in every time we create something. And then the little birth is happening all the time. And the new leaf that comes in the spring or…
Birth and rebirth.
Over and over and over. And so much every day.
It’s like we’re given birth, like just by opening our eyes to new day.
Birds singing, you know, after the rain or to start the day. There’s this beautiful music in nature. And so then, here as as human beings, we’ve created all these instruments and create our music. You know, maybe initially back in the day we were trying to emulate birds or the sound of the rippling river or you know, just the sounds of nature.
The wind moving tree branches and all the like the leaves on it, I love that sound.
There is an art to noise. The futurist composer, in the 1920s Luigi Russolo was a musician and created a manifesto called The Art of Noise. And he was saying that all noise in in the world is art. That noise is art and can be music and can be like used. This is it’s such an outdated concept now, because all of our music uses any sound, anything, I mean, everything is valid sampling is just it’s everything. All noise and all forms of sound that could be possible get put into our music these days. But back then it was just violins and guitars and drums and certain instruments like that you could those were musical instrument and everything else was just noise. And he sort of broke the barrier and said, No, there’s more to it. It’s an Art of Noise art of music, and that’s the band Art of Noise is giving thanks to Luigi Russolo for saying that we could use any noise we wanted in our art, in our music. So there again, is it that we are the only ones that create music? Or is there perfect music out there in nature with the birds and wind? Rivers? And.
Oh, definitely. We hear it when were, you know, at the creek or a waterfall.
Some hear it.
We hear it like, I mean a car honking.
Yeah. Or like the gears turning.
Yeah. Like I remember you one time telling me that when you’re cooking, sometimes when you’re listening to music, you’ll chop your vegetables, like to the sound, the beat of the whatever you’re listening to.
You’ll get into and you’ll make music with the knifes as you cut.
Or you know, even something silly, like a fart. But then.
Weird Al Yankovic has put those in his song, he had a guy that used to do percussion for him, that would make fart noises with his hands. And that was the beat. So, the fart of noise.
Maybe a lot of the art that we create, in our days, and our nights, aside the art that happens in nature, maybe part of it happens so we can just become in tune with it. Like in tune with this frequency.
I feel that.
I think it really helps. I know, it helps me like personally,
Then I’ll feel a bit lost or something in myself. And then I’ll create some kind of art and I’ll feel a big sense of concentration and focus. And then I just feel clear in myself. And connected.
Well it’s a great word you used frequency, like vibration. You know people talk about vibes or you know feeling the vibration, and getting down with things. And that’s why I’m, I’m curious then about if that vibration, or that frequency or that harmony just comes from nature itself. And we actually, like you said, feel like we lock into that. And we find that within ourselves that that we’re really getting to know ourselves better.
Yeah. Yeah. It’s so powerful. Isn’t that what that is anyway? Like that, kind of that vibration that we feel inside when we feel passionate or enthusiastic about something. And we tune into that.
And we do it or move closer towards it.
Whatever it be. And then what? I mean…
Do art. Make good art. If you feel anything we’re saying either go out to nature and get your inspiration or just lay it down. You’ve already got it inside you go go make music, go make art.
Yeah. At that point. I mean, even though I say “and then what?” But at that point, when you’re in it, it doesn’t even matter the “and then and then and then what?” because you’re just in it, you’re in it, you’re in the flow, you’re in the zone, you’re in the passion and passionate enthusiasm. You’re in your curiosity, you’re in that place of listening inside of yourself for what is next.
Sort of talking about last episode, the “do you need inspiration for art?” And if we agree that it’s a no, then someone like Austin Kleon, saying, you know, he say, his first book was Steal Like An Artist, but then his other ones, Make It Work and show your work. And he was just trying to say it’s something you have to do like you just keep going like do it, do it, do it. And it’ll get better. It’ll, you’ll, you’ll feel it. You’ll gain more inspiration, you’ll you’ll fine tune everything from actually just getting into it. So, some people would say, Oh, I’m uninspired and I don’t feel like doing it. And maybe that’s irrelevant or unimportant. Your job wants you to be productive. They sit you down nine to five, 40 hours a week and make you focus and do the work. And if you were that, if you were that relentless of a boss to yourself?
If you boss your self to be like that and get down and get get to it. Make the art.
Be an art boss.
That yeah, you wouldn’t need necessarily inspiration. It’d be great if you found inspiration, but we are already, we already have it within us. So just just release it by putting the paper to the pen. Putting hands on the instruments or…
Or like that beautiful Rumi quote that says, If you want to access you know, love, then remove all the barriers. If you’re not feeling inspired to create something, or if you’re not feeling productive, then ask yourself.
What is in the way of that, like, what do I need to let go of? Or surrender?
I forget if it was Hemingway, or why some artists drink so much. Or why some musicians take drugs or removing the barriers and feeling so uninhibited. They just go forth bravely and with a you know, reckless abandon, like go to the most artistic adventures, because there’s there’s nothing in the way.
Damn. If it was that easy all the time, huh?
But then yeah, you can’t that’s a crutch. So you can’t like lean on the alcohol or the drugs or whatever I think you have to find it within yourself, because.
Yeah. I don’t know who talked about it, or who brought it up first. But they said in order to become a brilliant artist, you had to draw 10,000 shitty, totally shitty drawings. Maybe that’s what we need to do to remove our barriers.
And you have to number them. 1. 2. 3. You have to number each piece of art. And once you hit 10,000, it’ll be good.
99,999 shit pieces of art. And one good one.
The only thing in the way of your best art 99,999.
And if you’re a writer than that’s how many pages you have to write.
Sorry 9,999. Don’t let the math get in the way. Just do it.
That’s a barrier.
And maybe that’s a good thing to note too that even some of the things that you adulate yourself, you know, oh my god, this is so amazing. It’s the best thing I’ve ever done. Maybe that ego gets in the way of creating something even better, because you go oh, that’s me peaking? Oh, that’s the best I could do. And it’s not even close.
We have no idea. Pretty much until we take our last breath. We have no idea . We’re still always working towards our potential. Our potential is always growing. And it’s so fluctuates so much because just like we have good days and bad days as people. Our art is also gonna go through that too sometimes.
Yeah, and I think that’s another something within the topic we’re talking about like don’t worry look to art. Nature finds a way. You see a little blade of grass growing out of a crack in the in the cement you think that…
I love when you see that.
…you’ve covered the forest but the forest is like “no we got we got this” and we’ll just break through and find a way to create more.
Oh my gosh, I just want to bow to those little plants that come up through the sidewalk. They’re just like “Fuck Yeah! Like I’m here! I’m doing this!”
That’s that like removing the barriers like you said I think that some people feel that they feel stifled by the cement and then they get so happy when they blossom and break through and come out. You know your development as a human some of your best moments feel like they break you, like metamorphosis.
Break you open.
Like a cocoon like you break out and become that butterfly that great quote from Illusions by Richard Bach. What is the caterpillar to one, to The Master is actually a butterfly. I’d have to look up the exact quote. But yeah, in in most people they would see the caterpillar and the master sees the butterfly and breaks the mold and makes it as beautiful as it could be. Here again maybe art…
It does that. Cheers I gotta say my coffee has never been hotter. I have this new Yeti mug. And.
It’s so wonderful.
I can’t believe normally 20 minutes in, my coffee would be just dead cold. But this stuff it feels like I just poured it, it’s hot.
It’s so hot. Yetis are expensive. They’re worth it. I just thought of this time when I took a painting class, and our teacher took us all into the museum where the school is at and shared some of the art pieces with us. And we were just talking about them. And there was this one, it was huge, it was massive. And they were birds that were like, bloody wings ripped off. It was a really disturbing painting. And so we were all talking about it. And I don’t know, it just was disturbing. And so I mean, is that art?You know what I mean? Like is the nature, the hard things that happen in nature, which is all the time is that art?
In the art of life, your your last piece is your death. First piece is your birth. And the last piece is your death and everything in between is your compendium of work. The art of your life. But we talked about this, too is is art destructive? Is there destruction in art or is it all creation? Or is it destruction? And on some level, you do have to destroy things.
I guess it depends how it happened. Like, in my eyes. If something happened in a violent way, I wouldn’t necessarily, like if a wing was ripped off of a bird in a really mean violent way from another animal. I don’t really see that as beautiful. And I definitely don’t see it as artistic, like an artistic creation because, I don’t know.
But if it was done in a different way, like.
But then in our nature, is there some beauty to the love in our heart that we see the violence as abhorrent or distasteful? Is there some beauty to the mechanisms? That don’t we consider the most violent people and the most like the worst serial killers, the ones that feel nothing when they see this, this violence, destruction, and when they do these acts, when they don’t, they don’t feel the remorse or the pain or, and we consider that to be really horrible. That they’re so disconnected, they don’t even. So, the fact that you have this loving heart that sees it and knows that it’s violent or disturbing. There’s some beauty to the way you’re you’re created to know the love in your heart knows. And so some people are like a mirror, or some artists are a mirror reflection, showing the worst parts of of nature back to us. And we then take that in to see the world more clearly. And then know we would want it to be different. We would want to make change and we’re called to action. Maybe.
Maybe something there.
And I know that this might have taken a little turn. But it makes me think of when my sister who passed recently, her husband, when he got her ashes, he put my sister’s ashes on along the stream of his tears on its face and then went to the ocean and went surfing. And that is both beautiful and sad. I felt
And a big connection.
I think it’s not as much in our culture, maybe in New Orleans, but I think in other cultures they have more reverence or interaction or ways that they honor the dead. And that they have communication with the dead and and they they have a relationship with death, things like that, that we don’t have. I think we’re… Sure. So true. We kind of go to the wake one day and there’s a little stone that then represents that person and it’s and it’s : move on with life. Where in ceremony like you had just mentioned but the ashes somebody can touch and feel more in touch with the passing.
Ritual. Rituals that actually touch.
Connect themselves to the people.
Yeah, for sure. But then the thing we saw about mushrooms recently Fantastic Fungi on Netflix. It’s It’s weird how beautiful all the mushrooms are but so many of them are growing from death and poop. That’s right.
And growing from these things that aren’t beautiful.
But they, they grow into these beautiful things.
Yeah, that was, that’s such a good show. It’s amazing that that whole show, I want to watch it again.
It was good.
I guess it was just a movie.
Like a documentary.
The art of the mushrooms. One of the parts of, we’re talking about vibration and connection, is how there’s these mycelium networks that are all interconnected. And they’re like a neural network or like a brain network, and they’re all connected too.
Oh, it’s so amazing.
Nature is talking to itself through these networks that are almost more fascinating than the internet or our constructs.
That is definitely art. If we were to see that underneath… …the Earth’s surface. Ah, the beauty it would look just like our brain I know it would. With all the nerve tributaries and synapses and everything traveling and connecting and growing. Even ones that they’re still growing just like mycelium. So beautiful.
Oh, wow. Cheers.
The beauty of nature.
To the beauty of nature.
I’m wondering if if nature creates art, not just when you give a monkey a paintbrush, or there’s those elephants that can paint? Yeah, I don’t think that it’s proving the point by having animals create art in the way that we do. They’ll take penguins and have them walk through paint, and then they’ll walk on the canvas and then they’ll sell that as art. So I don’t know if it’s that nature creates the art the same way that we do. And I would say more that we’re trying to get down with nature when we create art. It was the quote that you had.
Oh, yeah, I’ll grab it. It’s right here.
It’s a quote you had about nature and art.
“Art is contemplation. It is the pleasure of the mind which searches into nature and which there devines the spirit of which nature herself is animated.” And that was Auguste Rodin.
Rodin. There’s a few good ones here, Vincent van Gogh said, “I have nature and art and poetry. And if that is not enough, what is enough?”
That’s like me. Love and nature and music and art and spirituality. There’s not much more. I would challenge people to find things that you give to them. And they give back to you. There’s it’s not much like nature. If you give water it would give you plants and beauty and flowers and things. And the more you feed these things, the more they give back to you. Feed your art.
Oh, here’s another quote by Edvard Munch, “Nature is not only all that is visible to the eye, it also includes the inner pictures of the soul.”
Like you said about seeing inside the mycelium networks or inside of our brain is a beautiful fractal, a beautiful picture. Not to condone the use of psychedelics. But one time on psychedelics, I went in a room and turned off the lights and closed my eyes and I there was no sound. And I lie there for hours, just myself. And I could see and hear inside myself and it was this beautiful, beautiful place. The inner fractal that speaks to us. If like we’re talking about if nature creates art, we are this this myriad of cells that are that are growing and re rebirth, death and rebirth of cells inside you and your cells keep growing and changing every seven years. You’ve cast off so much dead skin and debris generated so many cells that you’re a totally different person. So there’s this constant beautiful creation inside of us that maybe we need to speak to the world about through our art and you need to be able to find your center.
I was having a good day until that painting and I was like, inspired then I saw that.
And find your inner peace find your place that that is so beautiful inside you that when you show it to others it’s not the disturbing picture of birds with broken wings. That teacher just really. Like traumatic.
Find your beautiful place inside and show it to the world.
I wonder if Edvard Munch, he said that about his picture of his soul. So that’s that painting called The Scream. That was his soul. Like, whatever he was going through.
In that moment.
It is beautiful though.
It really is. I mean, we could all relate to it. For sure. At one point or another.
Did you want to scream right now?
Don’t do it. Everybody turn down your radios. <screams>
Oh, the cat lifted her head like “Is everything okay?” Today, what would your painting look like Errric of the inside of your soul?
It would be a little lazy and sleepy. I got my booster vaccination yesterday and I think it’s I think it’s messing with me a little.
Do you still feel it?
I can definitely feel my arm is sore.
But I feel a little low energy. Low key.
Yeah, low key is nice. We’ve been able to be low key today. That’s good.
I feel like binging some anime.
So fun. What would my painting looks like today? It would look like latke potato pancake. And it would look like snuggles and love and cats. What else would be in there? Some laundry.
A big pile of laundry.
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Get it. Everyone get it. It’s like it looks like art. It looks like a spiral.
It’s just a beautiful fractal. Just like the spiderweb, but cheese.
Art is everywhere folks. Go. Go seek it. Go do it. Go be it.
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