Sunday • April 2, 2023 12:34 AM • 32:08
The Writer – The Musician
Hey, Everybody. Welcome to Stream of Coffeeness. This is our first podcast.
I’m The Writer.
And I’m The Musician. And today we’re going to talk about nothing.
Oh, that’s it? Are we done?
Heh heh. We might talk about something. We might even talk about everything. But listening to it, it might seem like nothing. I’ve heard it said that the nothing in your art defines something. It’s the negative space that is important.
It’s like a contrast, you know, it like, outlines it. Wait. What?
Are you trying to go around the mic?
I have the first podcast giggles happening.
The mic is definitely in the way.
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But we have our coffee. And we have our cheers.
Oh, we do have coffee. And…
That right there is everything.
That’s how we start. You know, that’s how we start and roll with the day and everything and nothing. Cheers to everything and nothing.
When you have nothing. That’s a very empty space. And when you put something in that empty space, that something becomes everything. That’s the simplicity of life is, if you have everything all at once, like say you put everything in the whole world into a picture. That picture would be far too crowded. You wouldn’t be able to focus on anything. And you need to be able to focus on something. So you take a lot of things out. And now you just have something in the middle of a field of nothing. “Nothing” can be something in and of itself. Like in the Beatles, Yellow Submarine, they find the Sea Of Holes. And Ringo is actually able to pick up a hole and put it in his pocket. And he says, “Now I have a hole in me pocket.” Have you seen Yellow Submarine?
I’ve actually never seen that.
We got to put that on our list of things to watch.
It’s not even the Beatles. Those were some other voices.
Oh, is it an animation?
It’s an animation. It’s not even The Beatles real voices, just their music and some fun fantasy.
What you said, like that example. It, um…I mean, that opens so many doors. That’s the thing is “nothing” actually opens so many doors to new things.
It’s a good place to start, like meditation. Trying to get your mind to focus on nothing.
It’s almost like the power or the energy becomes stronger in that space.
Which can make your art more stronger.
In the blank, uncluttered mind, when you suddenly have a thought you can really focus on that thought. Because it’s the only one. Versus like a chattering mind. The monkey mind. Overthinking. Over analyzing too many thoughts, too much conversation, a din, then suddenly, you can focus.
Is that why when say for example, I go to the art room. And I’m just sitting there I haven’t even yet started on my writing. But I’m just sitting there. And I’m actually doing nothing at all. But then I start to feel really big and spacious inside of myself and like something about what’s happening, growth.
And so that nothing, there’s really something to that nothing.
But you said you weren’t doing anything.
And I was. Yeah.
And you were doing something you were sitting.
So sitting was the thing you were doing not doing nothing. And if you lay down laying is the thing you’re doing.
Like Winnie the Pooh, he was like up in the tree. He’s all, “Doing nothing is doing something.”
Yes. Until you’re in sensory deprivation. In a sensory deprivation tank you are floating, which I guess is still something, but it tricks your brain into feeling like you’re in zero gravity. You’re in space; you’re just floating.
Oh. I’ve always wanted to go there.
You’re just not connected to the ground. You’re just there without any input from your eyes you’re in darkness. There’s no smells, there’s no, no feeling.
I wonder how long I would last there or you would last there?
You start to hallucinate. Your brain starts to play tricks on you.
Such a trickster. Brain.
Like Altered States. In Altered States, he would go into the sensory deprivation tanks and then flip out.
I like altered states. I think Speckoi is in an altered state. She’s on my lap and she’s purring. Everybody, my cat’s name, our cat’s name is Speckoi.
I guarantee. Try as you might, nobody will ever spell it correctly. The other cat’s name is Oreo, a black and white kitty.
Yes. And Speckoi, I actually have to make her a dictionary because she knows so many words that I’m gonna make her a dictionary. She knows the word snuggle everybody. Okay, so when you yell in the house, you’re in bed. All of a sudden you yell, snuggle. And then she’ll actually come sometimes Not all, not every single time, but she’ll come at times. So yeah, she knows other words like bird. She knows flowers because she likes to smell flowers. She is cute. She knows the word avocado. (Laughter)
My joke is that she doesn’t know any of the words. She just knows the tone of the voice and responds to it. So snuggle means avocado. Avocado means bird. Bird means flower. And all of them are the same word. But, maybe.
Right now she’s doing nothing.
She perked up.
She’s like, nothing? Are you kidding? This is everything?
Oh. I tell you. We have to do nothing more often.
Oh, what would you do? If you had a million dollars? And in Office Space, he jokes, “Nothing.”
You know, yesterday, like I never buy lottery tickets. But my sister and my nephew when we go on walks. You know, we talk a lot about all the things. And the last walk that we took. We talked about if we won the lottery, what kind of things would you buy? So we ended up talking about all these things we would buy. And I bought a lottery ticket yesterday. This is something that never happens. Like I never do that. But I ended up winning $4 Oh, and I told them I said I’m going to share with you whatever I win. I’m sharing it.
Where is it?
The next walk that we go on with Sis and my nephew, Beckett. I’m gonna bring them each a dollar.
Where’s that four bucks?
I want to make it rain. You’re rich.
We just won last night. But you got to start somewhere. And so I’m like hell yeah! I won four dollars. Next time it could be $10,000. Let’s check it out.
And then we could buy 10,000 lottery tickets.
No, I’m just gonna get my sis a hot tub in her backyard. And Beckett, you want some like, thing for his game that he’s creating. He’s like a little genius. He you know, creates all the characters in a game and draws them and everything like that. So he wants some imaginary thing going on. So I’m like, Okay, I don’t know how I’m gonna get that for you. But I’ll try.
Oh, wow. To be spending money on the intangible.
Maybe we could get him some bitcoin.
Oh, that’s a good idea.
Fake money for his fake world.
Or virtual, I shouldn’t say fake. That’s that’s condescending, or…
To him it’s so real. That’s another…
…way to expand this conversation because the imagination. People say, Oh, it’s not real. You know, it’s fantasy. But the imagination is so real.
Oh, yeah. For some people too real. The imaginary…
…is more real than the actual world. They have a hard time living in the real world because their imagination is so rich.
And it’s so much better than the real. Sometimes.
That’s too judgmental.
I think if you’re an artist, you know there’s something to it, there’s a lot of joy there, there’s a lot of freedom. Because, you know, you’re not controlled or in constraints or in these shackles that sometimes you feel in the world. And then you go to your imagination and it’s so free.
Well, there again, there’s that, that rub, the money. If you had a million dollars, what would you do? And the answer for so many people is whatever I want. Hunter Thompson had a group of buddies and they used to prove that if you had enough money, you could do anything. They would wander into some building and break something or steal something or do what’s unthinkable. Then just hand somebody like $10,000 and say, Are we cool?
And most people would say…
Oh, she’s so wonderful.
$10,000? We’re cool.
As if money cures everything. So there’s a freedom in society, the more money you have, but once you don’t have enough money to cover your actions, then there are limitations. There’s things you can’t do. And there’s that pesky morality thing like trying to be moral trying to be good to others. There’s a …
Why do you say pesky?
It’s a joke.
It’s a joke about you know, you’re saying what can you do? You can do anything. Well, you definitely would want to not hurt others or do some really horrible things.
There’s morality that gets in the way of…
Yeah, you wanna like push the edge because the pushing the edge is fun. But you know when you start to like, hurt others or betray others then it’s not fun anymore.
No, no, I mean, you joke you know, “not for them” but once you have a really loving heart, anything you did to someone else, you’d be doing to yourself and you would feel it. You’d be all connected.
Yeah, like Speckoi does that.
I think there is, so that’s the where the joke of pesky morality, like, there is the, the truth to that, is then morality is a filter trying to connect you more to life, nature, the world, and humanity by saying that “treat others as you would treat yourself” so that we can feel that connection. There can be peace.
Cheers to that.
Cheers to that. As Jimi Hendrix said.
I’m gulping to that one.
Pouring the coffee on my face and letting it just drip down my body.
Dripping down my chin.
Everybody check out all my drip.
My nipples. My kneecaps.
There we go.
Oh, wow, we just got a lot more listeners.
The moment you said nipples I saw a spike in our listenership. Wow.
Speckoi is all “I’m out of here. You’re dripping coffee on me.”
So anyway, Jimi Hendrix had said, “When the power of love overcomes the love of power, there will be peace.”
Oh. Yes. That’s what makes me go like, What the heck? Terry, on America’s Got Talent was like “Power! Is my word.” Because I really like Terry. Terry’s cool. I like his clothes. I like his shoes, his everything his jumping like pecs.
Power in his nipples.
Power. And it creeps, simultaneously creeps me out and fascinates me at the same time. I’m like, How do you do that?
He’s got talented nipples.
Dancing nipples too. Salsa dancing nipples.
And that’s his power.
We can actually get back to talking about nothing. Because for a while now we’ve been talking about something. We haven’t talked about everything yet. Yeah, that’s for later in the podcast. Eventually. If you put all our podcasts together we would have talked about everything. Oh yeah. Until then we’ll just keep…
We have plans.
Finding something to talk about. And hopefully at some point, you know, we don’t find ourselves with nothing to talk about at all.
We’ll be like the characters on anime. The Enlightened characters like.
And that’s the reaction to everything.
Os! I love Hunter x Hunter.
You know the, There is that theory that the nothingness is what connects us or the darkness it’s what connects us. Like, everyone would say that they’re looking for the light, we’d all find this glowing light that would connect us all in peace. But truly, there’s another connection that when you’re asleep, there’s an unconsciousness. And we’re all connected by that. We look for things that that connect people. And that’s one thing that does connect us everybody when they go to sleep, goes to unconscious, a darkness where they’re unaware of, you know, besides like, say dreams or something like that. But there’s definitely a place where you’re not seeing any light and you’re not hearing any sounds and you’re you’re just in you’re asleep, in darkness.
So restful, so peaceful. How did it ever come about that darkness is scary. It’s so peaceful.
Well, it’s not inherently scary. We give it meaning. Some people are very afraid of the dark and some feel very comfortable. Like if I’m wandering around at night. I’m more comfortable without, say a flashlight or a headlamp. I just like my eyes adjusting to the dark and walking by moonlight. But I used to be afraid of the dark. Did you when I was a kid? I think it kind of happened to me once my brother scared me really bad. He was hiding under the bed.
What did he do?
I kept calling for him because I thought he was there in the room somewhere. And he wouldn’t make any noise for a long time. And then when I got up to go to turn the light on. He grabbed me quick and said, “Hah!”
Did he grab like your ankles?
I don’t remember. He probably. I just remember, yeah, just suddenly being like terrified. Screaming. Crying.
Oh, that’s so wild.
And then I needed a nightlight for a long time. I needed like light.
I do like a weird thing when I’m really scared if someone scares me like that. I do some weird little twitch thing. Where like, I’m actually I don’t scream. I’m actually incredibly quiet. And still. But then I do this involuntary like “Ehh!” in my whole body. And…(Laughter)
Well, that’s how you survive a bear attack. It’s very still. Play dead.
So I’m like a possum?
To do nothing. Smart.
Maybe? What if the scream of terror is what freaks the monster into attacking you?
Into more like violent frenzy.
Your violent scream is like what what provokes the monster? If you had just been more calm?
Kill me because I’m screaming so loud and annoyingly, they’re like, you know, “get rid of the sound as fast as possible.”
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Comfortable silence or uncomfortable silence?
Not for the listener. They’d be on the edge of their seat. What on earth they going to talk about next? Nothing? Something?
Yeah, what about nothing are they going to talk about next?
Nothing. There’s nothing to say. Words can’t describe than nothing. Only silence could describe the nothing.
To me personally, I feel a really strong creative impulse within the nothing almost similar actually, that I would think is like the Big Bang for example, when that happened. That creative impulse that just vibrated like wild.
Oh, like it had to happen?
There was nothing there. And creation had to happen in that space.
Interesting. But theoretically, everything was there. No matter can be created nor destroyed. Like the singularity. Everything was there. And it burst and spread out to become the universe in that field of nothingness.
And to gorgeousness.
I had heard an interesting theory that that’s the one thing that in the singularity was unknown was loneliness. There’s no loneliness when everything is connected and everything is there. So the universe had to become separate pieces and spread out. And as it’s theoretically growing, there’s a there’s supposed to be a movement. In the universe that is growing and spreading, and you know, birth of more stars. And as everything expands…
The universe is learning more and more about loneliness that it never knew in the singularity about a separateness.
There must be some purpose to that, of what you say about connection being alongside aloneness. For me, when I know my aloneness, I feel more connected in life, because I’ve been there, and I’m not sure if it has something to do maybe with the yin and the yang, like once you know, your darkness, and you know your light.
And vice versa. That even the more you know about connection, the more you feel loneliness. And the more you know about loneliness, the more you feel connection when it’s there.
And why does it bounce back and forth? Sometimes there’s movement.
Only because they can’t happen simultaneously? Or can you? I’ve, I’ve been inside of a huge gathering and felt completely alone. And maybe, maybe we feel a bounce back and forth when they’re both happening at the same time.
I wonder if for me, the center, it does have that quality of connection and aloneness, actually swirling kind of like it’s a Nebula or something like it’s got this.
Which would say we choose, our choice to be lonely or our choice to feel connection. That’s powerful.
That’s like Terry’s nipples.
I think every time you say nipples, we get like 10 more listeners. Maybe 100 more listeners.
We won the listener lottery, we have 5 million more listeners.
Is that the scientific term?
Coffee dripping from my nipples. What?
Is that the scientific term?
Nipple? Or is that just slang?
For a nipple?
That part of your body? Does it have a name? Like the weenus? Is the scientific term for the end of your elbow?
Yes, yes, we have to be able to identify the nipples. It’s very important.
Well, no, I just want to make sure if it’s scientific, we could say the word if it’s slang, we might actually be cursing in our first podcast over and over and over again. Pandering just for listeners.
The long name for nipples is nippleoneous.
Call in if you have the answer and tell us. The phone number is…
I wish actually knew the number to provide I would I would give this fake number. And when people call it it would say “I am Groot.” And it’s for girls when they want to give a phone number to someone. That’s not their number. But it seems like they’re giving someone a number. There’s a rejection hotline and it says, you know when you call, you know, thank you for calling. The person that you’ve asked for their phone number did not want to give you the phone number but they really wanted to be nice to you. Nice enough to give you this message to tell you that.
I am Groot.
This is not their number. Now then the other one you call all it says is “I am Groot. I am Groot.”
Oh, that person would be like, I hope we get to go on a date.
Yeah, I’m calling me to call them. I’m gonna call them and then they call and it’s “I am Groot.” And you want to feel sad, but then you might laugh,
You might laugh and you might be like, “okay.”
Get a giggle and think oh, now I even want to date him more because they’re hilarious.
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I hope I run into that person again.
Or you just say “No, I don’t want to give my number to you.”
Which is better, to say nothing? Or to say something?
In that case.
Or to gonna give them everything.
In that case. Give them the phone number to Groot. I am Groot.
You want to let people down gently. It’s just such a quick way out. Like, “Hey, girl, give me them digits.” And hopefully you’ve memorized that Groot number. I’ve got to memorize it. That’s squad goals.
Is that what you said when you met me? Hey, girl, give me those digits.
You didn’t call?
Actually I said something to him. I said “You have beautiful eyes.” And then he perked up. Like…
Like a cat with the ears you know like he turned his head like, “What?”
The eyes being the window to the soul?
And actually, that’s the thing is because he turned his head so, I actually said it to him when he wasn’t looking at me because I was watching him talking to someone at the party. And I was staring at him, just staring and like, in this euphoric space in myself while watching him talk to this person. And just…mmm.
I turned my head and I coughed.
And then he sneezed all over me.
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Best day of my life.
Yeah, that was fun. That was a really wonderful night. And we went out dancing. Although I danced. He didn’t dance at all. (Laughter) It was with a group of people.
As a musician, you would think I’d be more into dancing, but somehow I’m listening so intently to the music.
Yeah, you were dancing on the inside.
That yeah, I don’t I my body doesn’t I don’t think about like dancing. I, I’m thinking about the complexity of the music or thinking about the beats and the melodies and harmonies and that’s all going through me. I experience music in a different way. But I know how important dance is like the more people dancing, it amplifies the music. Dancing is actually connected. So connected to the music that the more people you have in a crowd dancing to the music, it actually raises the vibration. Brings everyone to a higher level. I get it.
Power of dance. Like even hip hop, true hip hop. You can’t have true Hip Hop without dancing without break dancers. You need the MC, the DJ, the break dancer, and the graffiti artists. You need all four elements to have true hip hop.
I love the krumping. The krumping that deep just so deep, like, I’m just wanna.. Unh.
I like the power of the crimp.
Yeah. And that too.
For any Mighty Boosh fans out there, that have gone beyond Old Gregg and seeing more episodes than simply Old Gregg.
50 Shades of Gregg.
Do you want some Bailey’s in a shoe?
I saw George Clinton pouring Bailey’s into a shoe.
Did you really? What year was that?
He’s a fan of The Boosh.
Actually, it’s probably the other way around.
But of course.
Boosh is a fan of George Clinton.
Of course they are. But of course because Bootsy Collins is mentioned in the episode. Yeah, they would. Somebody would get to George Clinton be like, Oh my God. Have you heard? Have you heard what The Boosh said about the funk? taken out of context? That just sounds like nonsense. Have you heard what The Boosh said about the funk?
Sounds so funky.
It just sounds silly. Like, completely made up words. Nonsense. overheard at a party. While drinking Bailey’s from a shoe.
Cheers. This maybe even could be a good place to wish our listeners well. End our first podcast.
Oh, yes! We wish you well. We wish you coffee today and tomorrow and the next day and the next day and the next day. Until we meet again.